http://z4.invisionfree.com/Mcgreys_fans/in...p?showtopic=212

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Its a hugely detailed spoiler article about 'didnt we almost have it all?' and i wouldnt advise reading it if you want to be surprised!!! Just thought id post it for everyone that cant wait!!!!! :P :o

Some of the NE information is true, but not all of it. Ausiello said that some of the stuff was BS while the other bit of it is true

Derek breaking up with Meredith will not be true. Shonda's been quoted on saying that she hates breaking couples up over and over again *cough*Merder*cough*. And telling by the promo picture, they are looking at each other right in the eye, he looks happy and emotional. I dont think he'll break up with her, he'll see her walk down the aisle and that will seal the deal for him.

TR leaving is also not true, he's confirmed that he is staying.

Well that makes me feel TONS better! thankyou! :wub:
Still it all sound very dramatic!!!! Oooooh im getting SERIOUSLY excited about now!!! :o :D

Yea, it's greys so we are definitely going to be on the edge of our seats as always :P . It's going to be dramatic and crazy but i cannot wait. I'm really excited

And another thing is, it would be the dumbest thing on earth to break up merder over bar girl because the show's ratings would plummet immensly downhill. The show's ratings are already going down from last episode. She would be murdering her own show.

I think she made a big mistake with the Gizzie-Torley triangle because before it people certainly dint hate izzie and/or george but i feel like the whole story line has not only caused people to hate or at least dislike izzie (one of the show central characters!!!) but they have sort of lost interest for george and izzie! If Shonda really liked the idea of Gizzie she should have presented it in a whole different way!!!
I dont think she break merder up but she may leave a cliff-hanger of whether they do stay together.

I dont understand. How can u hate izzie and, or george, for being in love?
UGH. There are plenty of characters on the show that has cheated.
For me the way the whole george izzie, thing developed was... perfect. Luves it.

I actually dont hate Izzie or george but alot of people do feel quite strongly about the way it is effecting Callie!!!

ya, thats why they should, like, make her happy. Fix her up with someone. Alex?

I like how you think Britney! But yes I do hate George and Izzie just because they way that it developed was totally wrong.. they couldve done it another way that didnt involve them sleeping together. They couldve done it earlier when him and Callie werent married but Shonda's got some weird freaking fetish that she wants to make everybody adulterers on this damn show! Im all for love but not when it hurts someone who has done nothing but love and be there for George.

I'm not really sure why people say how much they hate gizzie. So, it was right for george to get married to callie even though he never really loved her but because his dad just died he felt it was the best way to grieve? You dont make stupid big decisions without thinking like that and you dont do it under impulse.

See, i have seen all the episodes before and you knew Gizzie was going to happen eventually. I think some people have to be blind to think that izzie and george werent going to get together eventually. I thought it was written perfectley contrary to many people. Honestly, did any of you guys think Callie and George were going to last? He never loved her and he never was good enough for her. Poor Callie, she's so afraid when George's friends are so so mean to her and she cant handle it herself so george gets hit in the nose with a newspaper because apperantly she cant defend herself . She's an adult, she can handle it herself, dont blame george for your own insecurities. She's needs to learn to defend herself and stand on her own two feet, not george's.

Did anyone see the look on Callie's face when George proposed to her? Pure fright. She knew it was the wrong thing to do and she knew it was too soon but she went along with it anyway.

Just people, stop hating on Gizzie and George and Izzie alone as characters. Its ridiuclous.

^^^Yeah i see your point!
The thing that DOES bother me about Gizzie is simply that Izzie seems to have less depth now! Her character tends to just be unhappy and she just doenst seem very Izzie-like!!! Also every scene they are in just talks about their love-triangle...if you get me?! lol
i hope that Callie & George break up leaving callie to find someone who can love her the way she deserves to be loved, and then george and izzie can become themselves again (whether that be together or not!!!).
Alls well that ends well right?! :P

that is a lot to take in, but a lot of spoilers, which isnt usual for greys, so I wontder if some of them are not true

Yes it was evident for a long time that Gizzie would eventually happen, but I'm sorry it's wrong. Let me remind everyone (do you guys honestly need to be reminded) I'm a huge Izzie fan, huge enough to get her Tattoo inked into my own skin, but it's wrong, it upsets me how they have made her character. Its been obvious she loves George for a long time and she just denied the feelings to herself because well, he was her best friend. But Izzie saw him with someone else and got jealous, and afraid of losing something she never even acted on. George always liked Izzie, it was painfully obvious but she put it in his head CONSTANTLY that he was like a brother to her from the beginning therefore sending him mixed signals when all the sudden they spend a drunken night together and she lets her feelings for him slip. I honestly do love Gizzie, I have a Gizzie shirt for god sakes but it DOES upset me. It upsets me because Shonda took two perfectly fine, the most innocent of the characters if you must and made them so devilish and coniving! IT KILLS ME. Izzie is constantly made out to be such a little witch, and the Izzie I know and love can be a bit of brat but now, she's just...EVIL. And George has completely changed too.

Callie LOVES George. Yes, they moved fast but she always appreciated him for what he was, not a brother, not the guy you run to get tampons for. She treated him like an adult and frankly he needed it, he was so used to be a little kid about everything and she came along and he did some growing up. Yes, it could be considered a mistake marrying Callie, but it's not Callie's mistake. It was George's. HE PROPOSED, I honestly though she was going to turn him down int hat eppy and was shocked she didn't but she LOVES him.

Callie was NOT terrified. Sorry, she was shocked. COMPLETELY shocked and perhaps even a bit unsure or aggrivated but not terrified.

I'm so tired of people trying to make Callie out to be evil or the bad guy here, stop and realize Callie never did anything wrong except love George. That was her mistake, falling for a guy who was obviously too absorbed in his friends to devote himself to her. Callie is not the bad guy here, its just a bad situation and George should have stepped up and told Callie as soon as it happened. It could have made things much easier.

But no, Shonda is obsessed with adultery, it bothers me. For freaking ratings and drama everyone cheats. Yes, its part of life but that much in a single group or people? I'm sorry it's starting to bother me, especially since Izzie was so hurt by what Alex did to her and then she turns around and does it? I never pictured Izzie or George to be that type but ugh, Shonda is killing their characters, they were so great and now they're just dirty, sneaky little snakes.

AMEN TO THAT! I'm a die hard Callie fan and I agree totally, nobody can convince me that Callie was the bad guy. Her only mistake was loving George and apparently trusting him. I don't blame George for Callie's insecurities it's obvious they were there before hand! Yes, she's a grown up and she TRIED to defend herself and TRIED to be their friend but got shot down every time even by her BOYFRIEND. She wanted him to defend her because after all that's what a boyfriend does. She wanted HIM to act like a man something that he never was capable of.

George constantly put his friends in front of Callie, never once chose her over them but Callie stood with him. WHY? because she loves the damn ass. So everybody can sit there and say that they hate Callie and that Gizzie is love but I just think its wrong. Morally WRONG.

YES! She freaking TRIED to befriend them! Even Meredith gave her a slight chance and just dealt with her, Callie tried very hard and they shunned her, and now they're finally accepting her as they realize how freaking COOL she is. for god's sake if Cristina likes someone you KNOW they're freaking awesome cuz Cristina hates everyone.

Callies not a perfect character. Just like every single one of these characters. They all have flaws. Some are bigger then the others. But please, dont look at Callie like she does no wrong. Everyone has been wrong, all these characters have done something wrong or whatever but please dont look at callie like she's above these characters. She's not, she's just like everyone else.

Callie is no god. I'm not her fan but since people can say that its morally wrong for me to like gizzie, i'm going to be honest and say i dont like Callie at all. Its unfair for me to get shot down because its apperantly all right for you guys to shoot down gizzie but i try and explain my reasons for disliking callie and i get shunned. Not fair.

And I'm sorry but George never loved Callie, Callie loved George but not the other way around.

And i'm not trying to point fingers, just asking questions but LexiGrey, werent you once in love with gizzie? Now all of a sudden it's "morally wrong". Just saying..

If i sound bitchy, i'm really sorry. I'm under alot of stress right now.

Uhm, did you read my post?

did I NOT say "I honestly do love Gizzie, I have a Gizzie shirt for god sakes but it DOES upset me."

What wrong has Callie honestly done? Seriously. I never said she was a God but what has she done aside from love George? Yes, she slept with Sloan and she knew it was a lapse in judgement but she DID break up with George and they were NOT married.

Dude nobody is saying that Callie is a God but personally I hate Gizzie and there's basically nothing anybody can do for me to think otherwise. Its my opinion just like everybody else is entitled to their own opinions. Nobody is shunning anybody, people have different opinions and thats we post here in this forum to share them, but we don't come here to push our opinions on anybody else. That being said.. GO CALLIE.

Sorry if that sounds bitchy but eh.

Exactly, we don't shun people on these boards. It's just a difference in opinion. I'm personally confused right now and contradict myself a lot. Until Callie is in the know about Gizzie it's hard for me to fully appreciate them...I love them, I always have. But they did this so freaking wrong. I'm a Gizzie shipper from WAY back, though I was always more of a Lexzie shipper. I understood Gizzie before it actually came to be.

Ok, you know what, I dont feel like starting a fight and getting hated on from you guys. Callie doesnt stand up for herself. She's insecure and she rely on george to protect herself. He even said to her when they got in to a fight why he was always the dog who got slapped on the nose with a newspaper. He never did anything right. A grown up cant seem to protect herself, she relys on george. I never said she did anything wrong. All i'm saying is she's not perfect.

And i'll say this once and i'll say it again. All of these characters are not perfect, lets try and not look at it that way. Thats why i'm a little understanding on Derek's side and i dont immediately call him an ass. And i treat all the other characters the same way. I also understand that Meredith is under so much sit in her life so its hard for her to open up to derek. I look at these characters with an open view. They are all flawed, thats what makes them human.

No need to fight, please. I'm voicing my opinon and so are you, we disagree. Why does this need to turn into a huge ordeal? I just wish people would understand what i'm saying and not look at me like i'm clueless.

I'm sorry if i sound bitchy too.

If they wouldve done Gizzie differently I wouldve loved them because I've been known to fall for my best friend so it hits home but Callie did NOTHING to deserve being cheated on. Thats just how I see it. I mean if Callie was a bitch I wouldn't be SO in Love with her.

Izzie was one of my favorite characters, she was sweet, she was attentive she cared. Now its like she doesnt, the only thing she cares about now is herself. If she truly cared, she'd back away.

George, they destroyed him. He said he was never the guy to cheat...and he did. He cheated. I just cant like Gizzie, not until he comes clean to Callie because right now he's being a coward.

I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just voicing my opinion as well, never once did I attack you all I did was reply with my personal opinion on how they basically did a night and day with these characters, admit it, the writers are taking a dive with them.

No one is saying you are clueless, we're debating opinions. Thats what we do, just because our opinion isn't yours doesnt mean we're attacking you. There's plenty of people that agree with you too. Not everyone agrees with everyone though. Yes all these characters aare flawed, but how can you not agree that the amount of adultery is getting old? I mean shit who HASN'T cheated yet?

Same goes with the Derek sitch, I think he's being an ass. That's my opinion. Personally I think Callie hasn't done anything wrong, also my opinion. Keep in mind I didn't like Callie in the beginning but I grew to love her. Yes, she is flawed, yes, she is insecure, I'm a grown woman and I'm still insecure, doesn't mean I'm not a grown woman. All of them are insecure in their own way, I don't think of it as a flaw even, its how they grow and become MORE grown up.

No body ever deserves to get cheated on, it happens. Callie, Addison, Derek and everyone else who got cheated on didnt deserve it but it happens. No character is different. And no character deserves that treatment but it did happen. Cheating is a horrible thing that almost nothing can be equivivalent too. Not being there for your loved one's price shouldn't be paid by getting cheated on, you know?

Cheating just happens no matter which way you look at it. Sadly, its part of life and no one deserves it but it happens

It does but my problem is they're pulling it too much on the show. Its like...you can make drama without the adultery. I wish it was more like they didn't have sex but realized they had feelings for eachother.

My point in all of this, George needs to dump Callie or vice versa, then Gizzie can work everything out and Callie can do her thing. I'll be happy then and I really hope that's what happens in the finale. Though I hope Sara Ramirez leaving isn't something that happens anytime soon.

THATS ALL I WANT! I want George to step up and BE A MAN. Ok, so you cheated.. ok its wrong..but dammit step up and admit it because dragging it on and on is just hurting Callie more and more..

Alright I gotta step up as a MOD here and say we've gotten way off of topic here and it's got to stop. I think we've all voiced our opinions and gotten it out. Retract the claws and stay on topic, please. This is being applied to myself as well.

Finally, we come to some sort of agreement. I totally agree George should spare Callie the heartbreak and end it. And just let Gizzie be gizzie. And let Callie do her own thing.

They may do the adultery storyline alot but hell, everything in Shonda land that may be deemed wrong in real life is the right thing to do in her land.

Well she thrives off of drama, I thinks hes said that herself lol. I think she was cheated on or something and like...her therapy is by writing this, haha.

Okay off topic again :X

I just wanted to say sorry that i sounded like a bitch.

I'm a very direct person with my opinon and can be a little agressive. And when people disagree with me, i feel the need to sound off my opinon and make people try and understand me. So i can offend people alot.

I'm sorry for that. I'm also under alot of stress so i guess the way i'm releasing my stress is on you people and thats totally unfair. I have to realize that people have their own opinons and i need to learn to accept that.

and sorry for being off topic :P

Ha trust me, I've dealt with people who are downright rude to me on other boards, I don't mind at all, we're all just arguing our opinions and made valid points in many ways.

Sorry you're under stress.

SO ABOUT THAT FINALE... ;)

Okay. Everyone is bent out of shape over the sneak peak but i will tell you, do not worry. Merder will be fine

Watch the part in testing 1-2-3 when burke and derek are talking about how when burke sees cristina walks down the aisle, it will all be worth it for him. Look at the expression on Derek's face. He has a bit of a smirk on his face, his expression lightens up. And the chief said the same thing about Adele. It's Derek's turn to do the same. As we all now, basically with the show its almost always "What goes around comes around" and things generally lead to each other and she often foreshadows events. I'm not saying they are gonna go ahead and get married right there but they will be fine. I actually think Derek might propose to her, that may be a little bit of a stretch but you never know. It would be a perfect cliff hanger. I wish he would propose but i really want that "huge talk" to come up first, i want thier problems to be settled once and for all.

You all make me laugh!!!! (in a good way!) :P I think its great that you are all expressing your opinions...thats what the boards are for right?! A show like Greys raises issues that ensure people dont react the same way, thats the beauty of it! lol :rolleyes:
So anyway, hmmm im not sure about MerDer but i hope you are right!
I think the gizzie-torlley issue will finally be dealt with in the finale anyway!
I cant wait!!! I THINK this will be a really good, exciting finale....it has all the signs of being a jaw-dropper!!! :o :D :D :D

yeah I seriously CANNOT wait.

See, i know this is a very far, out-there theory but i actually think that there is a big possibility that mer and der might be the ones getting married.

In the 2nd promo, there is a scene between mer and cristina before she's supposed to walk down the aisle. They all have bouquets at this scene(sp). Ok in the regular promo there is a clip of mer, izzie and callie opening up the door and they appear distraught, well mer does. Something looks to have happened and the wedding looks like it was called off. They don't have thier bouquets (sp) in this scene. So i think something must have happened. Maybe Cristina walked away? Maybe Burke? I've thought it's going to be burke. Now i dont think the bang wedding is completely off but i have a feeling that they might end up doing original plans and going to city hall instead.

Here's a picture of Derek i thought was interesting

http://www.greys-photos.com/albums/ga/epis...5/normal_08.jpg.

In the 2nd promo, burke and derek seemed to be standing relatively close to each other. In this picture, he looks to be by himself although i can't really judge. And he seems to look emotional. Maybe, possibly, burke and cristina left to get married at city hall, derek takes advantage of the oppurtunity and they get married. Not to mention that they derek stroking mer's cheek scene looks very "positive", so that backs my theory up.Very crazy but hell, anything is possible with shonda.

This was something that just slipped in my mind. I HIGHLY doubt this will happen but anything is possible. But i do believe that if that doesnt happen, derek will propose to meredith and that will be left as a cliff hanger.

haha yeah anything is possible!

awwhhh I reallly hope that he proposes!!! :wub:

:sob: ME TOO. I would CRY.

I kinda hope he doesn't cuz most likely Mer will turn him down. especially since two other main character couples are married/getting married.

I totally agree. I don't think they're do a proposal cuz that would mean THREE in season 3

Yeah I was just thinking that..she might turn him down because he was saying how he didnt wanna breathe for her anymore and how how met another girl and now hes proposing? wtf..mer would probably be confused..